Curse

Timotheus Amadeus · Jan 14, 2008, 03:02 PM // 15:02

Reading people bashing the Mesmer PVE ability in general I started to love my mesmer more and more. Playing this class was the first one I really started to like especially in PVE. Prophecies was really easy to finish with the following skill combination:

M/E

Backfire, Empathy, Energy Surge, Energy Burn, Glyph Of Lesser Energy, Energy Tap and Ether Feast.

I also tried my mesmer as a nuker but I didn't really like that due to the high energy cost of fire magic spells. So I decided to change my secondary profession to Necromancer.

After seeing alot of N/Me out there in PVE, I thought of the possibility that N/Me could be a very strong PVE combination aswell. After beating the Norn Fighting Tournament couple of times I firstly discovered the true power of mesmers in PVP. That was my first experience. To be honest, I've only been playing this class for a small month now, and I already like it more than all the other classes I've played.

After finishing Prophecies within 3 days I would ask you guys to help me build a base for a Mesmer/Necromancer build for PVE. Since I'want to focus myself on completing EOTN and NF with my new character.

Could you guys give me a headstart on what skills to use for a base Me/N build. And also give me a reason to. This thread is not meant to be bashed in but just to gain some information on the possibilities of a Mesmer Necromancer combination.

So basically what I want is some help on the road of creating a good (nearly all round) basic PVE Mesmer / Necromancer build.

Thank you already for your time and help!

Painbringer · Jan 14, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

The N/Me you are seeing are more than likely running an [skill]Arcane echo[/skill] with [skill]spiteful spirit[/skill] or an energy return for other skills using the inspiration line. My first question to you is what campaigns do you own? Do you have factions / nightfall / EOTN ? (so many possibilities) PVE skills title track skills etc..

Timotheus Amadeus · Jan 14, 2008, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by Painbringer

The N/Me you are seeing are more than likely running an [skill]Arcane echo[/skill] with [skill]spiteful spirit[/skill] or an energy return for other skills using the inspiration line. My first question to you is what campaigns do you own? Do you have factions / nightfall / EOTN ? (so many possibilities) PVE skills title track skills etc..

I own all campaigns including "Eye Of The Nort".

Kattar · Jan 14, 2008, 04:41 PM // 16:41

Get [skill]Necrosis[/skill] from Nightfall then. That's a good one for some more damage.

Painbringer · Jan 14, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

In PVE as I have suggested numerous times in other posts. It is different then the spiteful spirit builds you will see out there, but I like to be different

Wastrel’s Worry followed by Necrosis (Sort of a Bam then a Bam) add cry of pain and you got your self 3 good skills that work together. Very fast recharge on them as well

[skill]Wastrel's Worry[/skill] Necrosis and cry of pain [skill]Empathy[/skill] [skill]Drain enchantment[/skill] [skill]Energy drain[/skill] [skill]Ether Feast[/skill] [skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

-Makai- · Jan 14, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

I started my GW experience as a Mesmer/Necromancer. It's pretty fun, though that may be the nostalgia kicking in. I didn't realize the futility of being a Mesmer MM until the Maguuma Jungle...

Anyhow, like the other posters said, Arcane Echo + SS and Necrosis is pretty good. I sometimes use Arcane Echo on Necrosis for a decent, repeating spike.

Scarlett Romanov · Jan 15, 2008, 06:55 AM // 06:55

I recommend buying skills and figuring out what you like. Experimentation is fun.

If you can't afford skills, then grind reputation points in EOTN for free skills.

You can also generally mimic a lot of necromancer builds that are out there. You can find those on the wiki. (http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page) Essentially you could be a Bip, SS/BR or a MM.

Note: Since you dont get an energy benefit creature deaths, you'll have to use your mesmer skills to setup some kind of decent energy management. Auspicious incantation (inspiration) rocks socks.

Useful Nec Skills I recommend
Insidious Parasite
Price of Failure
Necrosis
Spinal Shivers
Parasitic Bond
Vocal Minority
Spiteful Spirit
Blood Is Power
Feast of Corruption
Any enchantment removal skill. (I wouldn't worry about purchasing these if you own mesmer enchantment removal skills already.)
Well of... Any of the Well spells are great to use. Well of Blood, Well of Suffering, etc.

There are probably a lot more I'm forgetting about, but atleast this gives you a decent start.

upier · Jan 15, 2008, 09:02 AM // 09:02

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Originally Posted by Scarlett Romanov

Useful Nec Skills I recommend
Insidious Parasite
Price of Failure
Necrosis
Spinal Shivers
Parasitic Bond
Vocal Minority
Spiteful Spirit
Blood Is Power
Feast of Corruption
Any enchantment removal skill. (I wouldn't worry about purchasing these if you own mesmer enchantment removal skills already.)
Well of... Any of the Well spells are great to use. Well of Blood, Well of Suffering, etc.
There are probably a lot more I'm forgetting about, but atleast this gives you a decent start.

What?!?!?

Enfeebling Blood.
Shadow Of Fear.
Reckless Haste.
Barbs.
Mark Of Pain.
(With Necrosis and SS of course!)

That's a decent start.
More then decent actually. It's pretty much everything that makes a cursing necro a god (skill-wise of course

).

Timotheus Amadeus · Jan 15, 2008, 01:36 PM // 13:36

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Originally Posted by upier

What?!?!?

Enfeebling Blood.
Shadow Of Fear.
Reckless Haste.
Barbs.
Mark Of Pain.
(With Necrosis and SS of course!)

That's a decent start.
More then decent actually. It's pretty much everything that makes a cursing necro a god (skill-wise of course

).

Well, if I'm going to use this many necro skills... Wouldn't it be a waste of a mesmer to use this skills? Shouldn't they be more powerful on a full Necro. Or is it still a good choice to use them on a primary mesmer? From what level Sunspear title track becomes Necrosis a powerful skill?

Kattar · Jan 15, 2008, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by Timotheus Amadeus

Well, if I'm going to use this many necro skills... Wouldn't it be a waste of a mesmer to use this skills? Shouldn't they be more powerful on a full Necro. Or is it still a good choice to use them on a primary mesmer? From what level Sunspear title track becomes Necrosis a powerful skill?

Yeah, if you want to use this many necro skills, just roll a necro.

Oh, and go ahead and max your Sunspear rank for the best results. It's easy, so just take the time and do it.

Timotheus Amadeus · Jan 15, 2008, 01:48 PM // 13:48

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Originally Posted by Katsumi Rikyu

Yeah, if you want to use this many necro skills, just roll a necro.

Oh, and go ahead and max your Sunspear rank for the best results. It's easy, so just take the time and do it.

But what is a good midway between Mesmer and Necro skills. Is there a good combination between these two. That's a build that I would like to create. Like, a mesmer / necro skill combination that powers eachothers profession skill results even more. Are there necro skills that make the mesmer skills more effective and visa versa.

Silhouette · Jan 15, 2008, 01:57 PM // 13:57

Start with Soul Barbs (necro), then cast your mesmer hexes. Or, Fragility (mesmer), then add some conditions via the necro line.

upier · Jan 15, 2008, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Timotheus Amadeus

Well, if I'm going to use this many necro skills... Wouldn't it be a waste of a mesmer to use this skills? Shouldn't they be more powerful on a full Necro. Or is it still a good choice to use them on a primary mesmer? From what level Sunspear title track becomes Necrosis a powerful skill?

Of course!
I mean - even if you are using mesmer skills - a primary necro is a better choice in PvE!
I was referring to the fact that those skills are REALLY good. So if you want to use something from the necro line - I'd pick some skills from that list first.
(Especially stuff like Enfeebling, Reckless or Shadow! They just destroy PvE!)

Timotheus Amadeus · Jan 15, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58

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Originally Posted by upier

Of course!
I mean - even if you are using mesmer skills - a primary necro is a better choice in PvE!
I was referring to the fact that those skills are REALLY good. So if you want to use something from the necro line - I'd pick some skills from that list first.
(Especially stuff like Enfeebling, Reckless or Shadow! They just destroy PvE!)

In what combination of Mesmer attribute skills would you suggest to use these necromancer skills? With the regular Backfire, Empathy and Energy Surge line (domination magic)? Or more like using them with health degeneration skills from the Illusion Magic attribute?

Kattar · Jan 15, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Health degen combos work best with Illusion magic. Since they're more hexes, they work well together.

Timotheus Amadeus · Jan 15, 2008, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Katsumi Rikyu

Health degen combos work best with Illusion magic. Since they're more hexes, they work well together.

So is there one build in general I should take a look add? Or is there a small combination I could use as a base for a build I could enhance for different areas and situations?

Kattar · Jan 15, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Hmm...I can't help you here with specific builds, but here's a list of Necro degen skills: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Health_degeneration.

Hope that helps some.

MagmaRed · Jan 15, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

[skill]Soul Barbs[/skill][skill]Recurring Insecurity[/skill][skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Conjure Phantasm[/skill][skill]Images of Remorse[/skill][skill]Arcane Conundrum[/skill][skill]Power Drain[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

[skill]Fragility[/skill][skill]Phantom Pain[/skill][skill]Drain Delusions[/skill][skill]Virulence[/skill][skill]Epidemic[/skill][skill]Illusion of Haste[/skill][skill]Plague Sending[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Painbringer · Jan 15, 2008, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

[skill]Soul Barbs[/skill][skill]Recurring Insecurity[/skill][skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Conjure Phantasm[/skill][skill]Images of Remorse[/skill][skill]Arcane Conundrum[/skill][skill]Power Drain[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

[skill]Fragility[/skill][skill]Phantom Pain[/skill][skill]Drain Delusions[/skill][skill]Virulence[/skill][skill]Epidemic[/skill][skill]Illusion of Haste[/skill][skill]Plague Sending[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Although people hate it try kitah’s burden at least in RA it is an energizer bunny for you plus triggers soul barbs (helps if you are a spamming freak like me when I use the reoccurring insecurity)

Terraban · Jan 15, 2008, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

[skill]Soul Barbs[/skill][skill]Recurring Insecurity[/skill][skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Conjure Phantasm[/skill][skill]Images of Remorse[/skill][skill]Arcane Conundrum[/skill][skill]Power Drain[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

That is pretty /fail in PvE.